Speaker 1: attitude about the progress of society that over time, things would take care of themselves and the aftershocks of historical wrongs would dissipate that the day will come when society is equal enough and that you would need to take account of race in order to achieve diverse student bodies. We don't seem to be there yet as an empirical matter, but the conservatives were definitely thinking, what is the end point? How do we get ourselves out of this stuff? And might we not in fact want to shut down this kind of racial preference now?
Speaker 0: And
Luke's Note
Proponents of affirmative action claim its necessary to ensure a diverse student body which then leads to diverse institutions. What is diversity? How is it measured? What about non-racial diversity (I.e. religion, class, etc)?
Speaker 1: what is the end point? How do we get ourselves out of this stuff? And might we not in fact want to shut down this kind of racial preference now?
Speaker 0: And Adam, what did the university's lawyers say in response to the conservatives making this argument,
Speaker 1: they kind of struggled.
Speaker 6: But when is the end point?
Speaker 1: I meant to respond to justice alito meaning that we do not need to reach that point for us to feel that we have met our diversity goals. They wanted to indicate that they're making progress, but at the same time, both because diversity is very hard to measure and because it's hard to know when you've gotten there, they were not